Edith Haisman

Edith Eileen Haisman (nee Brown) was a 15 year old girl travelling from South Africa to Seattle with her parents Thomas William Solomon and Elizabeth Catherine. The following interview was conducted by the historians employed by Southampton City Council on November 11th, 1985. Time constraints dictated that I could only focus on Edith Haisman's time on the Titanic and the immediate aftermath. The questions are in italics.

How long did you stay in London?

A few months in London we stayed

And you had already booked your tickets on the Titanic?

Oh yes, all booked because my father went ... when we arrived he went straight away to book our passage and when we got there he wanted first class but it was full up so they said they only had three berths for the second class for us so we took the three berths and that's how we managed to get on the Titanic.

Have you any idea what the tickets would have cost?

No. I never thought of asking my father, no.

He never discussed these things with you?


So how did you travel down to Southampton?

By train, came on the train, right into Southampton docks.

So you didn't actually stay in Southampton overnight?

No, no. Then we went up the gangway and then my father took bad like, so my mother turned round, asked if he was ill. He said no, he was quite alright because he had a premonition. Well before he left South Africa but he wouldn't tell my mother what it was and of course when we got to our cabin we took all our things and put them there, then we went up on deck and saw all the people, you know, on there, looking over the Titanic.

Can you describe to me what the ship looked like to you, if you were a young girl?

Quite a big ship, it was as high as this building and I looked at it and I thought, "My word, it's a great big ship" until we got on it, it's very beautiful. I was surprised because on the boat from South Africa there was nothing compared to this ship, it was really a floating palace, it was very beautiful.

... (The next section started off talking about her cabin, which had 1 porthole but she couldn't remember any other details other than it had a settee in addition to a dual bunk bed.)

...did you have an adjoining (cabin to your parents)?

Yes it was just like an ordinary cabin, you know, two berths, one top and bottom. I slept at the top see, and mother and father...

And your mother and father...?

Had the bottom.

And what about the bathroom, was that adjoining or did you have to go out to the corridor?

You got lovely baths, beautiful they are too, very nice.

So was that joined on to your cabin?

No, that was further along.

So can you tell me, if you can remember, what was in the cabin, apart from the bunks?

Oh there was a wash basin and everything like that for you and just, it was like a settee one, you could sit down there and that and you needn't go out if you didn't want to, you know, just stay in your cabin. It was very nice and a good size cabin too.

Do you remember if there were any elevators?


Any elevators on board ship?

No, the first going off we went up on deck you know, it was nice until it got too cold, then we couldn't go and we had to go indoors, Sometimes you would sit in the library and pick up a book and read or sometimes go and listen to the band playing, you know, they had a band down, a nice lounge and everything and they had a nice room for writing letters and all, you know. It was really a beautiful place and the carpets were beautiful, very very thick and the most beautiful paintings you ever saw was on the wall.

Can you remember what they were of, the paintings?

No, I couldn't tell you what they were but very, very expensive paintings too, beautiful paintings and the cutlery was beautiful, it was real silver and the quilts you know, everything and beautiful white tablecloths. Really it was beautiful.

Were the crew British?


Were the crew British?

Yes, yes my father was very English, he was, yes. He loved England, he did. Same as my husband did. He said, "There's no place like England" my dad used to say (laughs).

Did you wander off on your own around the ship?

I used to walk around and have a look at it, you know and walk aroun on my own and up on deck and have a look around everywhere because there's so much to see and especially if the shops were shut. Sometimes when they were open you could buy sweets or anything you want on board then. Surprising what a lot of things they had to sell but see of course everything is different.

Did you get lost at all?

You could have your hair done and anything lke that you know, hairdresser, quite.

Did you get lost at all?

No, never got lost, I always...because you see so many people you know and you don't know them, it's like a little town on it's own you know.

Were they very friendly?

Oh yes, very friendly, yes we got on well. I met ... when I was on board, on deck, two or three days out, I met a woman with a daughter about the same age as me and we used to talk to each other but when the accident happened I don't know, I never saw them, so she was just an only child with mother and father but she was a very nervous woman, she's never been on a ship before and she was so frightened. "Oh" she used to say, "I am so nervous, I've never been on a ship before" you know, she must have died in her sleep, you know, on the Titanic.

Were you nervous?

Well, being young I suppose I didn't realise that we might be drowned, you know because when I stood up on the boat deck and my father was talking to Reverend Carter, I said, turned round and said to my father, "Look, theres a ship over there, see the lights?" and then the lights went out. Beautiful flowers and everything on the table you know, everything was really nice. I don't know how they kept them, really beautiful they were.

This was in cabn class? This was in second class dining room?

Yes, second class dining was just as good as the first class and the meals too, they were very good.

How many of you were sat at the dining table?

About four.

Can you remember who they were?

No I don't that because it takes a long time to make friends, you know, with people.

And what about the service, what was it like?

Well you always had soup first, then you pick up whatever you like. Then there was always a sweet or something else you can have, or ice cream or anything you see, yes and there was always fruit on the table too.

And you were well looked after by the crew were you?

Oh yes very well, they were very good to us. The waiters were beautiful you know, beautiful how they used to do it.

What about the cabin crew? Did you have a steward and a stewardess?

We have a steward.

And no stewardess?

No, yet they had stewardesses out there in the first class, I know but we had a steward I know, he used to come in and make our bed up.

So you didn't have stewardesses that you remember?

We, I think there was a few but it all depends whether anybody with babies, they go there more or less.

And there was a nursery for the children?

Yes, nice nursery, big nursery too.

Did you go and see it then?

No, just looked around and that. They had some beautiful dogs there too.

Did they?

Because a lot of the people in the first class brought a lot of dogs and they used to take them up on decks sometimes.

Did you go for a swim at all, in the swimming pool?

No I used to see them if they wanted but never there and they also had pleasure, you could do hairdressing or a face massage and all that sort of thing you know, they had that all there, and Turkish baths and everything. They had all sorts of games they used to play on deck you see and things like that.

Would your mother let you wander round on your own? Or did you, would you usually stay with her?

I used to wander around and then go, come back to see where they were sitting and just sat there. I used to like it very much then because we weren't long enough on the ship to know anybody really because wer were supposed to be there five days. That's why the accident happened, because at night she was going at such a terrible rate that the vibration was terrible.

Can you describe what it was like on sailing day?

On sailing day it was really...well everybody was so happy and saying goodbye to everyone, you know, because we had nobody to say goodbye to because we said goodbye in South Africa you see but you just sort of, because then there was a boat called the New York and she nearly went into the Titanic.

Were you on deck when this happened?

Yes we were on deck.

So what did you see?

My father said when he saw that, he said, "That's a bad omen".

Did you see it also?

Yes, we were on deck looking at it.

So can you describe what happened?

My dad had an idea it was something to do with the screw of the propellers I think or something, nearly went into. I don't know if it's the Titanic or what happened but it was a very narrow escape.

And were the other passengers aware of this?

Oh a lot of them were hanging over that might have seen it as well, yes, because my dad said, "That's a bad omen".

Was there any band to see you off or...?


Was there any music on the quayside?

Oh yes, plenty of music, band playing and everything you know, plenty of music.

Can you remember what they were playing?

No I couldn't tell you no (laughs)

So what did you do once the ship started to move?

Well after we got there we sort of stayed on deck for a bit you know, looking round and of course everybody went down below, supposed to get our meals or something I think then.

Can you remember what time this was? Time of day?

No I couldn't tell you, couldn't tell you that.

Did you have any lifeboat drill?

No, no I never.

And had you noticed the lifeboats or the lifebelts?

I've seen them, yes when I didn't see the lifeboats until the Titanic struck the iceberg but we were on the boat deck, then we saw the lifeboats.

Now once you sailed Mrs Haisman, can you sort of describe what you remember about a typical day? What time you'd get up in the morning and what you would do?

Well we got up in the morning because we had to ... we had our breakfast about eight you see so we'd get up say about, just before eight o'clock and then go down to breakfast and always had about 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock I think, I'm not sure, always had a cup of broth, you know, to keep you warm, whatever it is, I don't know, very nice. You could have that or you could have coffee or tea, see.

Do you remember if there were many young people travelling, your age?


Do you remember if there were many young people of your age travelling?

Very lot, rather young boys, terrible lot of young boys going over to America, about 18 or 19, they used to sit in the library sometimes and I used to speak to them sometimes you know, because I was...

Were they on their own?

Yes, I was a very shy person I was, didn't make much friends, no but quite a lot of young boys, it's a surprise, I don't know what they were going over there for.

Did the classes mix at all> Like third class, second and first.

I don't think so but you could go on the deck and you could go onto the first class deck because it was only just a bit of, just a gate open, you could walk rght through.

Was there any entertainment laid on for you?

No there was nothing because it wasn't long enough because they generally do have sort of some entertainment or dancing but everybody seems to be very cold and tired, you know they all seemed to sit around a great deal.

What time would you go to bed at night?

About half past ten.

So what would you do in the evenings? Can you remember what you did?

I used to read a lot, books you know and sometimes I used to walk around.

So was there ever a dance that you went to?

No, no dance, nothing.

What about the cinema?


Did you go and see a film at all?

No, there might have been, I never saw any, no.

Did your parents make any friends that you know of?

Just as I told you, that one couple. The wife stood there speaking to my mother and then her husband was there but she was so frightened, I've never seen a woman so frightened of the sea as she was.

Do you remember he name?

No I don't remember her name. Don't know at all, she must have gone down with, the three of them must have been drowned.

And did your father make any friends?

Never saw any of them after. Not on the boat deck at all because we were the first on the boat deck and there was hardly not a soul about.

Did your father make any friends?

Yes Reverend Carter and my husband, they must have met when we first went to see when the accident happened and they've been friends ever since then, that night and father put the lifebelt on my mother and myself, we had a lifebelt on and he had one on.

Was the crossing up until then very smooth?

Very smooth, we had a very nice day until it got colder, then you could see the ice for miles across the sea.

And when could you see the ice?

Just before we got to the iceberg, you could see all the ice, right across, until she was struck.

Did you worry about seeing the ice?

No I didn't realise anything at all. I thought it was wonderful to see the ice like that, you know.

Mrs Haisman, on the 14th April where were you at 11.40?

Well I was in my cabin at the time when it struck the iceberg.

Were you asleep?

Asleep but the vibration was so great and when she struck she was going so fast she struck the iceberg and was thrown back, she done it a second time and thrown back, third time she stopped. She couldn't stop before because she was going too fast.

What did you exactly feel? Were you woken up by it?

Well I just wondered what happened, like everybody else did, what happened to the boat and everybody kept saying, "She's unsinkable, she won't go down, she's unsinkable".

Were you parents also in bed asleep?

My father never said anything but he was smoking a cigar and we just, as I told you, he went up on deck to see what the trouble was, then he came back and told us to get dressed and come up on deck and then of course we stayed there. We must have been there for over an hour before anything, nobody worried about it, a lot of some of the people from the third class must have come up, playing with the ice on deck, a lot of them, and people in the first class, they wouldn't believe it, they said, "No, she's unsinkable", they went back to bed.

When you got up on deck, when you dressed and got up on deck, how many other people were up there?

They'd gradually started coming up but there was very few on deck.

And were there crew there?


And what were they doing?

The crew were, just afterwards, he crew were nowhere to be seen until Captain Smith gave the order, the lifeboats had to swing out, he gave that order.

Did he give this order over all the ship or just to the crew?

Yes so the officers used to, the officer. All ships had to be, then you saw the crew had to put the boats out and being new boats there is a bit of difficulty, the ropes were a bit tight to get down, you know.

So you were stood by the lifeboats at that time?

Yes we were on deck watching them you see until the officer came along and said, "Women and children first."

Can you remember who the officer was?

Yes, so my father came up and he put my mother and I into a lifeboat and he was smoking a cigar and then he walked away and ...

Can you remember what time this was?

It was just after, well she struck the iceberg about, just before 12 wasn't it, I think.

Do you remember what number lifeboat it was you went in?

Our lifeboat was number 14. What the others were I don't know.

And how many of you went in that lifeboat?

Well gradually afterwards people were getting on deck and my father put my mother and I into the lifeboat and said goodbye to him and then gradually others came along and they got into the lifeboat and all. We had quite a lot of people in our lifeboat.

Can you remember how many people?

No I never thought of asking that.

Was it all women and children?

It was mostly women, all women but there was a man dressed as a woman got on there and the officer said if he could, he jumped into the lifeboat as it was going down and he said, "I've a good mind to shoot you", he said, "You might have capsized the boat with all the women and children in it."

And this was in your lifeboat?

That's right.

And who was he? Was he a passenger?

I've no idea.

So what did he do?

Just left him there. Couldn't do anything else.

And you say that other passengers went back to bed?

Some of them did. They wouldn't believe that the boat was sinking. I mean you couldn't notice it, you couldn't feel the boat was going because until you were out in the lifeboat. When you were out in the lifeboat you could see her lights going down, disappearing like that, because it was as high as this building you know, very high ship and you could see her lights disappearing all the time until you got to the boilers and then the most terrible explosion and of course went, after the explosion she went down, slow, like that. Two and a half hours, she could have saved everybody on that ship.

Was your mother very worried when your father...?

Yes she was very worried but after we were picked up on the Carpathia, my mother came to me because every time a lifeboat came I went to see if my father was on it see, and he wasn't and my mother turned round and said, "You've lost your father and you won't see your father any more" see we were on the Carpathia.

When did you last see him?

When I was on the boat deck, that was the last I saw him.

When you say they had trouble getting the lifeboats down, what did they seem to be stuck or did the crew not...?

I think its something to do with the ropes being stiff or something.

Was there a lot of shouting and panic?

No panic, there wasn't enough people for a panic. I don't know what happened after we left because we must have been about the first to get off.

And why do you think your father thought it was serious? Did he have more information from somewhere then?

No he never said it was serious, never mentioned anything about it at all, all he said when he said goodbye to us, "I'll see you in New York" and he went down because he stayed on deck, he wasn't in his cabin so he must have ... when the explosion that they went that way down, he must have gone down into the sea you see.

Did you have lifejackets on?

Yes, had all our lifejackets.

And where did you get these from?

I don't know, my father got them for us and put it on us.

Did he give you anything to take with you?

No, we knew nothing at all, we never left, took anything out of the cabin, we never, left everything in the cabin.

What sort of clothes did you wear?

Because my half brother, Tom, he wanted my father's watch, it was a beautiful watch, very valuable and he wouldn't believe when my mother told him and my father went down with the watch. He thought that my mother had it but didn't, my father went down with that watch.

What can you describe what happened when they lowered the lifeboat into the water?

After, you mean after we were rescued?

No, after they lowered the lifeboat?


With you in it?


What happened then?

Well as I said, we had to go ...one of the sailors who was in the boat had to row further out see, because of the suction of the Titanic as she went down and we stayed for, oh, for a long time, how many hours? I tell you, about nearly six hours I think off, we must have stayed in that lifeboat before we were picked up. Freezing it was, terribly cold.

And who was rowing the boat?

Yes I reckon they had the sailors, you know, one or two sailors rowing the boats.

Can you remember who the officer was?

No I don't know who the officer was, he was in charge.

When you looked back and saw the Titanic, what could you see from the lifeboat?

All you could see was, it was very dark, you could hardly tell but a lot of lifeboats all around, because the officer said, "Keep all together". He wanted all the lifeboats to be kept together when the Carpathia comes, until she came see.

And were there lots of passengers on the decks still?

Yes, all men still standing on deck.

Did you see any women and children on deck?

I didn't see any women, no, I don't know if it was mostly all women in the lifeboats you see and some of the stewards and that, a little thin vest was floating in the sea, some of them had frozen to death.

Did you actually see anybody jump overboard?

No, no I didn't see anybody.

Were there any lights in your lifeboat?

No, they threw a lot of chairs overboard while we were standing on deck, so that if anybody went overboard they had something to hold on to. Yes they threw all the chairs overboard, they were just loose.

Can you remember seeing any of the other lifeboats launched?

No, because we only had six lifboats and collapsible boats, that's all.

So what did you do while you were in the lifeboat, waiting all those six hours?

Just sat there and just looked at the Titanic as she was going down, you could see the lights disappear like that all the time as she went down.

Can you remember what you felt like at that time?


Can you remember what you felt like?

Well I was young, you know, you felt...I was more worried over my father than anyone you know, at the time, wonder if he got on alright, was he saved and all that.

Could you hear the band playing?

Yes I heard the band. After we were in the lifeboat we could still here [sic] the band playing until the explosion took place.

Can you remember what music it was playing?

No, they played a lot of hymns you know and things like that.

Do you remember any of the lifeboats going back to rescue people in the water?

No I couldn't tell you that, no.

Did your boat go back?

It might have picked up one or two but I, some of the boats they said were full up, they couldn't put, pick them up, had to go to some other lifeboats because we were full up.

Were you, did you stay in number 14 lifeboat all the time?

We stayed all the time, with my mother, yes. We never moved out of the boat until we were picked up.

Can you remember what you talked about during this time?

No we never spoke at all.

You were just too shocked were you?

In shock, yes. My mother was very upset you know.

Did you get the impression that the crew were efficient?


The crew members, those that helped you into the boat and got the boats down, did they seem to know what they were doing?

Oh yes, I did see what they were doing, yes.

Were they seamen? Were they seamen that worked on the deck or were they stewards or...?

Yes, I couldn't tell you what they were at all.

What were they dressed like?

Like a white uniform, you know like white coat, you mean the Carpathia's crew?

No, the crew from the Titanic.

I didn't see the crew of the Titanic at all.

What about the crew that were in the lifeboats with you?

They must have been, yes, they went up, they stayed in the boat until, all the passengers got out first see so what happened to them, they must have been the last to come up on deck.

Can you describe the last moments of the Titanic going down? What you saw and heard?

There was a terrible lot of shouting and people crying and that as she went down, you know. People were so upset you know, I've never heard anything like it, you could hear the screams and all the people that were left on deck you know, it was really terrible after the explosions, because she did, went down then.

And was she still lit up?

No, the lights went out after the explosion, yes.

And then what did you hear then?

She just sunk, she went down, took two and a half hours to go down.

And did you see or hear any people in the water.

No, not a soul.

So you never saw anyone in the water?


Was there a lot of debris and things in the water?


So what happened then Mrs Haisman, after that?

After we were picked up on the Carpathia we were given hot drinks and that, people were very good to us on board, and at night they threw beds down in the first class or the second class for us to sleep on because the Carpathia, it was going somewhere else but she got the message of the Titanic and she came to our rescue and of course she was full of people and the people that were sleeping there, they were still in their own bunks when we arrived and they couldn't understand why we were going back to New York with them.

How long were you in the lifeboat before you were rescued? Can you remember?

Oh, must be six hours I suppose, ever such a long time.

Were you told by the crew that you were going to be rescued?


Can you remember what the crew said to you?

No, I never spoke to the crew so I don't know because they just, they just rowed the boats and that and that's all I know.

And were all the lifeboats kept together?

All had to keep together, yes.

And what did you do to keep warm?

Just sat alongside of one another and kept warm like that all the time you know, best we can. My feet were very cold because the boat was leaking you know and it was getting my feet wet and that with ice. They kept bailing the water our bailing it out but they were new boats, ships you see, they kept filling up.

Did you have any lights?

No, no lights, nothing.

So was everything in darkness? Could you see anything at all?

Everything, yes dear, all darkness.

And was it calm? Fairly calm?

Yes. When we were picked up on the Carpathia, we were sitting near a table, my mother and I every time one of the lifeboats came in I used to go out to see if my father was any of the other people and of course every boat came in, now my father wasn't there. So I went back to my mother, so my mother said, "Your father, you won't see your father no more" she told me, "He's gone." So we were...we stayed on board and they were very good to us, gave us food and that you know and everything hot and people who came on with no clothes on, some of the passengers on the Carpathia got some clothes for some of the people you know, to put on them, because most of them got just in their dressing gowns and their nightgown. Well, at night we had to sleep, they used to throw a matress down in the dining saloon for us to let sleep because all the cabins were full up with passengers. They were going somewhere else but the boat turned round to take us back to New York, you see.

Did they keep all of you passengers together?

Yes, the passengers were there, very nice they were.

What about the Titanic passengers, were you all kept together?

Yes, while we were at sea, the officers, all the lifeboats had to keep together until the Carpathia turned up and when she came up he saw that all the boats were there to go and we had to go up a sort of ladder to get up that and of couse children were put in a sort of basket to take up you see, onto the ship.

And how did you get up onto the ship?

I walked up.

What, on the ship's ladder?

Yes, walked up.

So they didn't actually haul any lifeboats up with everyone in them?

No. We all had to go that way you see and of course those lifeboats were picked up and put on board the Carpathia, the Titanic lifeboats, but the rest of the stuff like chairs and (inaudible) were thrown over when she was supposed to be sinking. Nobody bothered about that because some of those stewards had just a little thin vest on you know, they must have been frozen. A lot of people were frozen dead on the sea. You could see them floating you see. And the next morning you would never believe, when daylight came that that iceberg could do that damage to a ship, because its mostly underwater the part where they hit, to see this iceberg, it was a big iceberg.

Could you see it next morning?

Saw it the next ... yes saw it out there when daylight came, before the boat picked us up, you know.

What did you see next morning from the deck of the Carpathia?

Nothing much, no. After everybody was there and then it got ready and everybody was aboard, there was no more. The sea was beginning to get rough so they put on our way to go back to New York and it was three days to go back and we had a storm at sea but nobody mentioned that but I remember that the storm at sea after we got out of the way of the storm we went to New York.

While you were on the Carpathia, did you all stay together, all the passengers from the Titanic?

Well, most of them. Some people who knew others were talking but my mother and I, we sat on our own. We didn't mix with anyone you see. My mother was very upset about my father. Of course when we got to New York, there was crowds of people at the docks and I think the whole of New York must have been there, you never saw anything like it and they had clothes for people who didn't have anything and that, you know, and that, was giving people money you know and all sorts of things like that. Then they took us to their junior league, overlooking the Thames in New York. We stayed there for a week, we were well looked after as I said, they took me down to get, couldn't get no shoes for me because I had such thin legs, had to have a special pair of boots made (laughs) and then I was given a nice fur coat as well. Then they saw us off on our boat, on our train to Seattle. It took us about three days I think, to go to Seattle and every stop where we stopped we had a reporter, so mother and I got off, we went and locked ourselves up in the toilets so they shouldn't see us but they had, everything was free for us.


The above interview is interesting but tells us nothing new. It does highlight some inaccuracies in Edith's memories; for instance, she says that 1st class was fully booked forcing her father to book them into 2nd class (to be fair to her, this is something that she may not have known as her father may have been too proud to admit that the price was too high for him). Likewise, the mention of a nursery might have been something she had been told rather than seen (there was no such room on the Titanic). Quite puzzling is the mention that she and her mother stayed in boat 14 until they were rescued by the Carpathia. We know from other accounts that 5th Officer Lowe transferred the majority of people into other boats that he had tied together so that he could return to the wrecksite with a skeleton crew to pick up any survivors. The most intriguing omission is the use of gunfire by Lowe as the boat was being lowered.

Edith's mother gave the following account in 1912:
""I was awakened by a shock. It seemed quite violent to me. The engines were stopped and the ship seemed very quiet at first. I feared at once that there had been an accident. The passengers had seen reports about icebergs on the ship's bulletins, and of course there was more or less talk about them among us, just as we discussed the speed that the ship was making and speculated as to when we should reach New York. My first thought was 'we have struck an iceberg'. I put on some clothes and told my daughter to dress. I went to my husband's stateroom and found him sleeping. "We've struck an iceberg," I said, "Get dressed at once." He did not think the situation dangerous but I urged him to go on deck and fid out what happened, I did not think to dress very warmly but put on my best clothes which I had been wearing Sunday. I had low slippers on. Presently my husband came back to me.
He looked very serious. "Get on these cork jackets," he said and helped Edith and me into the lifejackets. Then he put one on himself. He linked his arm into mine and led me up to the boat deck. He said the women and children were being put into the lifeboats and that we had struck a berg. I saw what seemed to be tons of ice on the forward deck. The ship seemed to have crushed far into the berg. "Now keep up the best you can and get saved," said my husband. There was great excitement on deck. He led us to boat 14. The men were all standing back from the boat but some of the women were struggling to get in. My daughter and I stepped in. My husband turned away without a word. I supposed at first he would follow us into the boat. Some of the foreign men steerage passengers were struggling to get into the boat. I heard an officer threaten to shoot them if they came near. The boat was crowded mostly with women. I afterward found there were sixty persons in it. We stood or sat wherever we could in a thick crowd. They began to lower the boat over the side. It seemed a terrible distance.
I looked back for my husband. I saw him turning away. We never said good-bye. Ours was the second boat off. As it lay in the water alongside the Titanic a foreign steerage passenger suddenly dived from way up on the boat deck right into our boat. We were afraid somebody would be struck and killed. The man did not seem to be hurt. Some of the men in the boat threatened to kill anybody else who tried that. We pushed off. The men in the boat seemed to be mostly members of the crew. It was terribly cold. Most of the women seemed to be lightly clad or half clad. I stood almost knee deep in water which had gotten into the bottom of the boat. We pulled a short way from the wreck. We could see the Titanic quite plainly. As she began to sink at the bow we could see the men climb and run toward the upper parts of her. They stood in groups quite silent. Some seemed to have their arms folded. As the Titanic went down by the head there was an explosion. Then we heard screams and saw people jumping. After the ship went down we drifted about. We saw a man swimming. He had a baby in one arm. He came up to our boat and somebody took the baby from him and gave it to the women to care for. Then the man climbed in. I do not know who he was. We were nine hours in the lifeboat before the Carpathia came up to us. We were treated as well as one could expect on the Carpathia. There was no place for us to sleep, so we lay down in passageways or wherever one could spread a mattress.
(Seattle Post-Intelligencer, April 27th 1912)"

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